Eucharist Bible References
Jesus's Institution
Pauls recall
Bread of Life
Breaking Bread
Interpretations
For serious Interpretations:
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Eucharist is a ceremony given to us by Jesus:
- All interpretations consecrate/bless the bread and wine.
Consecrate means to dedicate something that is common and to make it holy. - All interpretations bring to mind the words of Christ
- All interpretations meditate on what Christ did
- A Mystical experience is something beyond what the senses can perceive, a direct encounter with God
Ceremonies include symbols and metaphors and ...
Memorialist View
- The Bread and wine remain symbols with special meaning
- We are "Present To" Christ: in mind/spirit.
We are not "Present By:" in proximity
Steven Nemes distinction - This spirtual union is the the same as when we mediate, contemplate, feed on Christ outside the Eucharist
- Christ / Holy spirit is NOT more present than in any other say worship or drawing close to God activity
- The participant brings to mind/invites Christ - and the Holy spirit and so this can still be a mystical moment
Real Spirit Presence View
- The Bread is Christ's Body spiritually
- The Wine is Christ's Blood spiritually
- A Spiritual reality but the substance does not change
- Christ and or the Holy Spirit is mystically more present in the elements/ participant during the Eucharist than at any other time when one is close to God (whether we 'feel' it or not).
- Christ does not come down - We ascend up to feed on Christ - There is a spiritual union
- This is mystical and cannot be explained in a rational way - but it is not illogical
Real Physical Presence View
Transubstantiation
Before consecration
Accidents: bread-like and wine-like properties
After consecration
Accidents: still bread-like and wine-like
- Christ is locally physically present
- The bread becomes the flesh yet retain its accidents of bread
- The wine becomes the blood yet retains the accidents as wine
The accidents of bread are not attached the substance of Jesus. Jesus is immutable, The accident of bread become free floating as the are no longer attached to the bread. The accidence of Jesus which include the scars, eye color, hair, smile etc are not present he is present in flesh (with taste of bread). This does defy logic.
Thought:
- If you really believe you are eating Christ's flesh physically then it seem to me you are more in love more with what you do than what you should become? (It is physical not spiritual). Is not God more into what we are than what we do?
Consequense:
- We can adore the bread and wine since this is really Christ locally present <
- If the bread falls to floor - ohhhh
Note Lutheran Pt of View:
Consubstantiation = Christ’s Body and Blood are truly present with the bread and wine.
After thought
Paul say: Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.
Perhaps a valid Memorialist Lite view would be to do this - like saying grace - when ever you drink wine, to remember what Jesus did for you!!
Thoughts
God choose His words carefully knowing that we would need to wrestle with them, wanting us to wrestle with himFor some a special closeness to God is found at communion, The eucharist may be a place when the distance to the sacred is thinned. I suspect for most closeness to God is found in many places in life. He does say "Draw near to me and I will draw near to you".
People find their home in a group. Home is not the same as truth, but it is also a place we cannot abandon.
And David: (Ps 16)
"As for the saints in the land, they are the excellent ones, in whom is all my delight"
God has called Saints and they are believing different doctrines
"He is Lord"
So let's just participate what our commander and chief says...
References
Fr. Cajetan Cuddy and Dr. Austin Freeman discuss Sola Scriptura, the Eucharist, unity
Eating Christ's Flesh: A Case for Memorialism
by Steven Nemes